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[gameplay] new cart market civ bonus
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Authored by Nescio on Jan 16 2021, 10:15 PM.

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Summary

This patch introduces a new civilization bonus for the Carthaginians, giving them a 30% discount on market technologies. This won't make them suddenly win the game, but it's a nice extra and could also help them to get a bit more metal for their mercenaries.
See also D2917, D3357, D3377.

Test Plan

Check for typos. Agree with the concept and the proposed values.

Event Timeline

Nescio created this revision.Jan 16 2021, 10:15 PM
Owners added a subscriber: Restricted Owners Package.Jan 16 2021, 10:15 PM

I like this proposal from a historic point of view, not sure about balancing, as Carthage seems to receive buffs with D3377 and D2917 (or is the latter more about aesthetics?). It may be necessary to have some sort of compensation, the active and more professional players might have an opinion on that...

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Nescio requested review of this revision.Jan 17 2021, 1:03 AM
borg- added a subscriber: borg-.Jan 17 2021, 2:10 AM

Not very useful in 1x1 games. Perhaps a -5% bonus for economic technologies would be more interesting.

I guess a flat 5% bonus to metal gathering would be considered OP?

I guess a flat 5% bonus to metal gathering would be considered OP?

Athens have +10% metal gather raise per phase advance. However, the question is what's the justification for giving Carthage a better metal gather rate? If it's just because they have mercenaries, then we might as well give them a minor discount on mercenary costs.

borg- added a comment.EditedJan 17 2021, 6:04 PM

Discount for mercenaries is more justifiable than increasing the metal collection rate.

wraitii requested changes to this revision.Jan 18 2021, 7:26 PM

Discount on merc sounds good actually.

This revision now requires changes to proceed.Jan 18 2021, 7:26 PM
Nescio retitled this revision from [gameplay] new cart civ bonus to [gameplay] new cart market civ bonus.Jan 18 2021, 8:35 PM

Discount on merc sounds good actually.

So I gave it a try with a cart_mercenaries.json autoresearched civ bonus, but apparently the replace of the autoresearched unit_mercenary.json is applied afterwards, so it giving them a metal cost discount doesn't work this way (food does).

Discount on merc sounds good actually.

So I gave it a try with a cart_mercenaries.json autoresearched civ bonus, but apparently the replace of the autoresearched unit_mercenary.json is applied afterwards, so it giving them a metal cost discount doesn't work this way (food does).

Oh, yeah, you're right, I should have figured that. replace cannot be further modified.
One option would be to make a variant of the tech unique to cart.

Yeah, I thought about it, but it felt kind of “hacky”. (I also dislike how the Athenian metal gather bonus is implemented.)