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Allow hunting aggressive and violent wild animals
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Authored by Phormio on May 14 2017, 2:51 PM.

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I took weight estimates for animals from Wikipedia, adjusted them for balance with other animals that can be hunted and arrived at the following values:

  • crocodile: 200 meat, 300 health, 50 loot

Meat gain is equal to muskox, camel or horse. The health value is so high because crocodiles are in nature notoriously difficult to kill and I don't want them to become easy prey on maps like 'Gambia River' (considering they can't swim and attack from the water).

  • lioness: 120 meat, 120 health, 35 loot

Meat gain is a bit higher than for hunting animals like the deer, loot significantly higher (because of the difficulty to kill them)

  • lion: 150 meat, 150 health, 50 loot

50% stronger than the lioness, this animal has accordingly higher stats

  • tiger: 200 meat, 200 health, 50 loot

50% stronger than the lion, this animal has accordingly higher stats. Loot value should not be higher than 50 to keep it balanced with elephants.

  • wolf, polar wolf: 100 meat, 100 health, 25 loot

Dangerous, but less so than the other predators in the game these animals have the new standard values for all wild (agressive or violent) animals.

  • bear: 300 meat, 300 health (from 50), 50 loot (from 10)

Classified as hunting animal rather than wild animal, but so underpowered I adjusted its stats.

  • great white shark: 100 fish (from 0), 150 health, 25 loot

It isn't consistent that this animal cannot be consumed while whales can

  • humpback whale: 2000 fish, 2000 health (from 200), 100 loot (from 10)

Health and loot were ridiculously low, thus I buffed them.

  • fin whale: 3000 fish (from 2000), 3000 health (from 200), 150 loot (from 10)

The second heaviest animal in the world has now accordingly high stats.

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No idea. I obviously tested my changes ingame.

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Phormio created this revision.May 14 2017, 2:51 PM

All those things were decided one day.
Please be stucked to those decisions.
So don't eat wolves.

elexis added a subscriber: elexis.May 14 2017, 3:03 PM

All those things were decided one day. Please be stucked to those decisions.

According to those that wrote the design documents from a decade ago, those aren't set in stone (see that compass thread).

So don't eat wolves.

I do agree with the argument that those animals are likely not too healthy for consumption though and that we probably shouldn't make them huntable.

Phormio added a comment.EditedMay 14 2017, 3:05 PM

All those things were decided one day.
Please be stucked to those decisions.
So don't eat wolves.

Age of Empires allows hunting dangerous animals like lions. I expected the same when first playing 0.A.D. and found it confusing that the bear could be hunted while other predators could not. And less fun, too. Hence the diff.

In D497#19928, @Phormio wrote:

Age of Empires allows hunting dangerous animals like lions. I expected the same when first playing 0.A.D. and found it confusing that the bear could be hunted while other predators could not. And less fun, too. Hence the diff.

Me too in fact, I wanted to change that as well a year ago, but I'm not convinced anymore that this is a good idea

In D497#19931, @elexis wrote:
In D497#19928, @Phormio wrote:

Age of Empires allows hunting dangerous animals like lions. I expected the same when first playing 0.A.D. and found it confusing that the bear could be hunted while other predators could not. And less fun, too. Hence the diff.

Me too in fact, I wanted to change that as well a year ago, but I'm not convinced anymore that this is a good idea

Why not?

Phormio updated this revision to Diff 1994.May 17 2017, 11:45 AM
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  • allow hunting the great white shark
  • buff whales
fatherbushido requested changes to this revision.May 17 2017, 12:03 PM
This revision now requires changes to proceed.May 17 2017, 12:03 PM

Mostly for realism. If you want us to add food supply to tigers and bears, show us some links that they were actually eaten.

With regards to the health changes of animals, there was this one #3786 which yielded really awesome results as you can see from the screenshots. The same is proposed for health #3778 and I'd rather go down that road if possible.

template_unit_fauna_hunt_whale.xml
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That value doesn't sound tested