The primary function of houses is to increase the population limit. However, various other structures do that too, thus functionally overlapping with the house. For civic centres, it's necessary they increase the population limit, to allow rebuilding after one has lost their houses and units. For other structures (dock, fortess, temple, etc.) it's rather unnecessary, those structures already have a clear function and don't really need to increase the population limit, therefore it's removed from those.
[EDIT] Population bonuses are also removed from civ-specific structures.
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- rP24623: Remove population bonus from most non-house buildings.
Check for completeness and correctness, agree this is an improvement.
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I like the idea of the patch, but I'm not sure about Iber / Brit / Gaul.
I think fortress and tower should be removed for iber.
PopulationBonus op="add">2, seems useless, a higher value like 5-10 is preferable.
I like the idea of the patch, but I'm not sure about Iber / Brit / Gaul.
I think fortress and tower should be removed for iber.
PopulationBonus op="add">2, seems useless, a higher value like 5-10 is preferable.
That (i.e. iber +5, gaul +2) is basically what they have right now.
Personally I wouldn't mind removing all those <PopulationBonus> from the brit, gaul, iber structures; I didn't do it here, to limit overlap with D2841.
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That means you can't build anymore units if you only have a barracks left ?
Barracks didn't add to the population limit anyway. Besides, you'll quickly lose due to territory decay.
Yes, the extra population is removed from the brit, gaul, and iber structures; brit and gaul structures already are built more quickly, whereas iber fortress and tower have significantly more health; see also the D2841 discussion.
Given we won't have the building time bonus as per https://code.wildfiregames.com/D2841, what is the justification for removing from britons?
It is nice to have some kind of differentiation, and we didn't test if without both building time reduction and population bonuses they are still overpowered.
I agree with removing from all other civs, but britons should still have some bonuses (in particular at least barracks or fortresses) as per https://code.wildfiregames.com/D2841#127227. Unless some other differentiation is planned for britons.
This (D2950) and the other (D2841) are two separate patches, with different aims, that can be reviewed independently. If and when one is committed, the other will have to be rebased, though that's unimportant for the discussion here.
This patch initially kept the population for brit and gaul structures, but that exception was later removed, per @borg-.
As for D2841, the purpose of which is to differentiate brit and gaul, it's unclear if and in what form it will end up. There was some more discussion on the forums last month, which indicate that perhaps the brit might keep the structure build time discount and the gauls would get one or more new bonuses (still to be determined). Anyway, that's outside the scope of this patch, and belongs in D2841.
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It is not bad to have overlapping functionalities, though there has to be an idea behind it.
I'd be OK with merging this (so accepting), if there is strong opposition from somebody please Request Changes
Is there a replacing bonus?
You mean for brit and gaul? Their structures already have lower wood costs and lower building time, giving them a clear advantage in the early game. Having the population increase (a third bonus) effectively means having to spend even less wood and time on houses, making things even worse. Moreover, a historical justification why exactly these two civs and not others should get it is absent.
I read about them being present, but I guess @genava55 in https://code.wildfiregames.com/D2841#127227 argued otherwise. (Things like a blacksmith not being a separate structure but part of a living space, but that may be true for other civs as well.)
That said, don't let my stubbernness hold this. If I want nice gameplay for myself, I have to mod anyway ;)
You're right, I was mistaken, I apologize. Now I wonder why I then thought it was true. I guess I misread or misremembered the celt_structures.json technology; the houses of Britons and Gauls are cheaper, but that's because they're smaller; Iberians and Mauryas have that too.
Nevertheless, while what I wrote was wrong (or at least inaccurate), I still stand by the main point: having a resource discount, a time reduction, or extra population each are very useful bonuses to have, especially in the early game. Having more than one such bonus makes a civ simply too strong. Therefore I'm glad this patch has been committed.