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[Gameplay] - [WIP] Spartan spikes
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Authored by Langbart on Oct 12 2021, 1:54 PM.

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The idea for this gameplay feature comes from a mod called MetaGameV2 Mod Version 2 (22/Nov/16) made by Eraser, who wrote:

[...] this mod is more than a game it's a pool of concepts and ideas for the main game, using existing resources.

The basic idea is to give the Spartan civ a strong weapon to defend against cavalry attacks. The spike deals damage against cavalry units that get too close to it.
Here are some short videos:

Attack from behind has no effect**

Attack from the front causes damage **

I only chose the Spartans to make the civ more unique. Could also be extended to other civs.
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Test Plan

Apply the patch, let the Spartan Civ build some spikes.

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rP 0 A.D. Public Repository

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Buildable 18549
Build 43798: Vulcan Build	Jenkins
Build 43797: Vulcan Build (macOS)	Jenkins
Build 43796: Vulcan Build (Windows)	Jenkins
Build 43795: arc lint + arc unit

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Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure.

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Langbart published this revision for review.Oct 12 2021, 1:59 PM

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Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

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Harbormaster completed remote builds in B18549: Diff 18810.Oct 12 2021, 2:10 PM

Removing capture points and the rangeoverlay.

Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure.

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Langbart edited the summary of this revision. (Show Details)Oct 12 2021, 2:30 PM

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

Debug: 
Microsoft (R) Build Engine version 15.9.21+g9802d43bc3 for .NET Framework
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Release: 
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Harbormaster completed remote builds in B18550: Diff 18811.Oct 12 2021, 2:38 PM

I'd rather have D1838 for this. ^^'

binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/structures/spart/single_spike_angle.xml
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marder awarded a token.Oct 12 2021, 5:16 PM

I really like the idea.
@Freagarach sure with proximity attack would be nicer, but one could still use this as a proxy for now and then use the proximity attack once that is in the game?

This seems pretty different from a proximity damage (aka trampling). It’s basically just palasaides that deal dmg. I’m not crazy about turtling in general but I guess it’s fine if the stats (cost, build time, and dmg) are right. Otherwise this could really slow things down and limit Cavs’ ability to move around.

I would warn, however, this can create a real mess with pathfinding as units may inadvertently walk by these and get damaged. That would be neither realistic nor desirable from a gameplay perspective

In D4304#183219, @chrstgtr wrote:

I would warn, however, this can create a real mess with pathfinding as units may inadvertently walk by these and get damaged. That would be neither realistic nor desirable from a gameplay perspective

Yes, you are right. The AI keeps sending cavalry units to the same place and the horses keep dying. There is no need to test this patch further.

sad, but yes when the units just commit suicide its not a good idea

wowgetoffyourcellphone added a subscriber: wowgetoffyourcellphone.Oct 22 2021, 10:51 PM

I'm wracking my brain trying to understand how you got the directional attack to the front only using BuildingAI.

A very short range, I guess.

Langbart abandoned this revision.Mar 21 2022, 12:24 AM