As pointed out by @genava55 in this forum post, taverns in Gaul first appeared in the 1st C BC as a consequence of growing Roman influence. It's thus not exactly accurate (pre-Roman) Gauls in 0 A.D. can build them by default.
This patch therefore deprecates the tavern (keeping it for scenarios only) and moves the champion fanatics to the temple (cf. cart, kush).
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- rP24538: [Gameplay A24] - Deprecate Gaul Tavern.
Agree this is an improvement.
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| binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/structures/gaul/tavern.xml | ||
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| 51 ↗ | (On Diff #15102) | While city walls and wonders have maximum territory weight, that's not really appropiate for a tavern. |
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Build is green
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See https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/2748/display/redirect for more details.
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Does it make historical sense to keep fanatics in the temples? if it is just for balance, we can increase its cost by being a p2 unit.
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Does it make historical sense to keep fanatics in the temples?
Not really that much (see forum post), but the barracks makes even less sense.
I wouldn't mind simply deprecating the fanatic as well, but people are already complaining civs are rather similar (they're right).
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If it doesn’t make historical sense to train at the temple then the barracks is the most correct place for that.
We have in mind a patch to change champions from fortress to barracks, perhaps this should also apply to those who are trained in the temples. Anyway i am a favor of the patch, if it doesn't make historical sense it must be reassembled or replaced.
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If it doesn’t make historical sense to train at the temple then the barracks is the most correct place for that.
The temple is the location @genava55 more than once recommended, hence why I didn't opt for the barracks.
We have in mind a patch to change champions from fortress to barracks, perhaps this should also apply to those who are trained in the temples.
Some civs already have specific structures in the city phase at which they can train their champions (e.g. athen gymnasium, pers apadana, spart syssition). Ideally all would, but new structures require new art, which is not trivial.
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IMHO Fanatics should stay in temple for the time being. What is the assembly currently used for ? Should we allow the carnyx player to be recruited from there? IIRC the files are committed, and the actor can be taken from DE. Remaining is template work.
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What is the assembly currently used for ?
You mean the gaul theatre? It's not buildable at the moment.
Should we allow the carnyx player to be recruited from there? IIRC the files are committed, and the actor can be taken from DE. Remaining is template work.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean; feel free to make a patch.
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I have carnyx on my mod. My Idea for carnyx is a aura giving capture rate bônus for units.
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It does not affect the balance because construction is still required for training. Historical inconsistencies must be removed / changed, so I agree, it was even requested by me on the forum.