After the athenian differentiation patch, I found the champion swordsmen and iphicratean reforms upgrade to be underwhelming. The p2 champs concept here is underused since you have to build an expensive building and research an expensive technology just to train an expensive unit.
Here, I have removed the requirement for iphi reforms just for training from the gymnasium. the reforms therefore only act on docks and boats, which somewhat simplifies the upgrade.
Also, I have made the marine a more lightly armored, cheaper, and faster unit, which serve as more of a unique unit for the athenians.
Also I have restored mercenary archer training from docks and ships after the iphicratean reforms.
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borg- chrstgtr - Group Reviewers
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- rP27902: [Gameplay] Use 'dock' variants for Athenian Marines and Mercenary Archers
agree?
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Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.
Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/8491/display/redirect
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Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.
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Ok for me too. I'm just not sure about the changes in the champion unit. I think this would make more sense in the hoplite champion right?
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Sounds like an improvement.
I have a slight preference to the change impacting the champ sword instead of the champ spear. Sword will be a better fighting unit in p2, which makes this a better differentiator. I also like the consistency of all the champ spear being the same stat-wise (there are already a couple different unique champ sword units). If everyone else wants the changes to champ spear instead then that would be fine too.
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The changes to the sword unit are also a little in the direction of historical accuracy. The marines were not as prestigious as the “chosen” hoplites, and apparently they wore less armor possibly to avoid drowning should they fall in the water. I have also heard that they needed to be nimble which makes sense for boarding an enemy vessel. So that’s why they are a little faster.