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[gameplay] lower unit movement speed
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Authored by Nescio on Jan 27 2021, 8:05 PM.

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Summary

Maps in 0 A.D. feel quite small, partially because units move relatively fast.
This patch lowers the base walk speed from 9 to 8; because the movement speeds of all units in the public mod are relative, they're automatically adjusted accordingly.
This means units need more time to travel, effectively making maps 12.5% ‘larger’ in any direction. As a consequence the game's pace is lowered a bit, especially the early game, since workers need a bit more time to return wood to a storehouse.
As for combat, long-ranged troops benefit a bit more, however, ranged troops have been weakened compared to A23, and cavalry can still reach archers in under 4 s (i.e. 4 arrows), so the current balance is largely preserved.
See also D3483.

Test Plan

Agree it's an improvement.

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Nescio created this revision.Jan 27 2021, 8:05 PM
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Nescio requested review of this revision.Jan 27 2021, 8:25 PM
Nescio edited subscribers, added: wraitii; removed: Restricted Owners Package.Jan 27 2021, 8:31 PM

I would generally be in favour of this, alongside with a corresponding reduction in vision ranges. Note though that this is a debuf to raiding.

Palaxin added a subscriber: Palaxin.EditedJan 29 2021, 5:17 PM

I would generally be in favour of this, alongside with a corresponding reduction in vision ranges. Note though that this is a debuf to raiding.

Maybe reduce vision range for infantry only, so cavalry is more focused on utility (scouting) in early game.
I'd experiment with different values and even try 7.5 base movement speed (would make maps 20% larger effectively)...

borg- added a subscriber: borg-.EditedJan 29 2021, 5:30 PM

Small maps are preferred in 1v1/2v2 because they are faster, easy early attack, harass etc ...
I particularly like rts games where the units move faster. If it is accepted by other players, I will have no problem accepting it, but my vote is no.

Maybe reduce vision range for infantry only, so cavalry is more focused on utility (scouting) in early game.

See D3486.

borg- added a comment.Feb 25 2021, 2:01 PM

Some players are reporting that the game is "slower" now, due to the movement speed of some units, which goes against this patch.

Yeah I think we have to face the fact that our current player base, in MP, enjoys 0 A.D. because it's fast.

If anything, making the default Walk Speed "10" might make more sense.

People can always set the speeds differently ^^

borg- added a comment.EditedFeb 25 2021, 2:43 PM

The unit that really bothers me is the ranged cavalry, they are very slow.
For infantry I would be willing to see it a little faster, but I have no problems as it is now.

In D3488#157098, @borg- wrote:

The unit that really bothers me is the ranged cavalry, they are very slow.

I don't think we can make Archer cavalry much faster without completely breaking the game though.

If anything, making the default Walk Speed "10" might make more sense.

Given that archer attack ranges were lowered (from 72+4+4 to 60) recently, I think a lower base movement speed is justified. Moreover, some people somehow complained maps were smaller; having a lower base speed could give a larger feel (as does a smaller land grap: D3601).

The unit that really bothers me is the ranged cavalry, they are very slow.
For infantry I would be willing to see it a little faster, but I have no problems as it is now

If infantry is a bit faster and cavalry is left unchanged, then ranged cavalry will effectively be relatively slower.

I don't think we can make Archer cavalry much faster without completely breaking the game though.

I think changing the 0.835× to 0.9× could be tried, especially since cavalry melee ranges are much longer now (D3483).

Angen added a subscriber: Angen.Feb 25 2021, 3:26 PM

just note.
slower units would mean more time for ranged units to kill them, they need speed to get to them relatively fast

Palaxin added a comment.EditedMar 16 2021, 10:27 PM

People can always set the speeds differently ^^

I think the animations should look natural and walk speed have a realistic value for normal game speed (x1.0).
With "realistic value" I mean something like 5.4 km/h = 1.5 m/s for walking infantry, in any case not more than 7.2 km/h = 2.0 m/s (which is already a very fast pace in real life). I don't know the corresponding game values for that, but I could find out...
If you are a pro gamer and want a faster pace, you can set it to x1.7 (like AoE II pros) then...