Differential D5114
[Gameplay] Add Onager for romans Authored by real_tabasco_sauce on Aug 27 2023, 4:20 AM. Tags None Subscribers Tokens
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The onager is a area-of-effect siege unit that is trained from the siege workshop or constructed in the field by legionaries. Onager: The onager has much less health than a catapult, and also costs less. It may still be used versus buildings but it is most effective against soldiers. Do we agree on the values?
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Event TimelineThere are a very large number of changes, so older changes are hidden. Show Older Changes Comment Actions Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/8321/display/redirect Comment Actions Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/7232/display/redirect Comment Actions For the splash attack, it could be given in Hack damage, since that is inherently more effective against units than structures. Comment Actions I think for realism keeping crush is better. I did some tests and it looks like good numbers, I'll do some more to get a better idea Comment Actions The onager (British /ˈɒnədʒə/, /ˈɒnəɡə/, U.S. /ˈɑnədʒər/)[1] was a Roman torsion powered siege engine. It is commonly depicted as a catapult with a bowl, bucket, or sling at the end of its throwing arm. The onager was first mentioned in 353 AD by Ammianus Marcellinus, who described onagers as the same as a scorpion. Comment Actions Don't we have a mention of onagers before that? I mean, I remember reading that onagers exist AD. If not, then catapults are outside the scope of the roman republic. Comment Actions Later in the same wiki article it says: Comment Actions For me it's a yes for this patch, I'll just wait for a new unpacked model. Comment Actions You have to add onagers to the Legionary Engineers bonus. Actually this bonus is strange, I preferred all sieges 10%, 15% or 20%. Comment Actions True. Comment Actions Made the siege civbonus description more clear so that onagers are included here. Comment Actions Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/7239/display/redirect Comment Actions Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/8328/display/redirect Comment Actions Instead of changing the templates isn't it better to create technology for the siege bonus? Comment Actions I thought it better to use a tech as well. but the bonus had previously incorporated the bonus directly into the templates, so I stuck with that approach. I could make it a tech if you think it would be better like that. Well, I thought the term 'legionary engineers' would apply more to the heavy weaponry than the bolt shooters which are much smaller by comparison. Also, ptol already has a bolt shooter civ bonus. Comment Actions
Yes, pls.
Maybe just for stone throwers then? +10% attack and movement speed? Comment Actions What about fire rate, and pack/unpack time? That could be quite nice actually. Probably 10% faster fire rate and 30% faster pack/unpack Comment Actions I find the best attack rate and movement speed for packed stone throwers/onager. I think it makes more sense historically. For pack/unpack there is already a good technology for this Comment Actions Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/7241/display/redirect Comment Actions Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/8330/display/redirect
Comment Actions Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/7248/display/redirect Comment Actions Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/8337/display/redirect
Comment Actions Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/7267/display/redirect Comment Actions Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/8356/display/redirect Comment Actions remove duplicate preferences class list defined in units/rome/siege_onager_packed.xml Comment Actions Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/7275/display/redirect Comment Actions Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/8364/display/redirect Comment Actions Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/7279/display/redirect Comment Actions Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/8368/display/redirect Comment Actions Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/7281/display/redirect Comment Actions Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/8370/display/redirect Comment Actions Build is unstable, some tests have failed - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/docker-differential/8952/display/redirect Comment Actions Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/7313/display/redirect Comment Actions Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/8402/display/redirect Comment Actions Looks cool. I like the differentiation you're attempting. Perhaps in the future we can make it look like it's hurling multiple red-hot stones at once or something to make it clear it has a splash damage (thinking AOE2's onagers here), but that can come later. Accepted. Comment Actions Yeah, I thought a little about how to do that myself, but couldn't come up with anything. I think it would need to be a new projectile type. Also, since this patch requires the marian reforms patch, be sure not to commit it until the other patch is ready for commit. Comment Actions Right, a <Volley> element in the Attack component or something @Freagarach . Possible? A ranged attack type that shoots a group of projectiles per repeat time. I imagine would be very helpful for multiple units and buildings.
Will do. I have accepted both patches now. Waiting for one or more others to Accept first in case I've missed a glaring bug. Comment Actions Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/7393/display/redirect Comment Actions Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent. Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/8482/display/redirect Comment Actions The patch idea is on the right way. Everything is working correctly. Several adjustments were made over the days to make it easier for new players to understand. The patch is mature now. Although the icon for the long-range legionary unit is missing, we may add this in the future (before the a27 comes out), so this patch is ok with me. Thank you for your efforts on this patch @real_tabasco_sauce | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||