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Authored by Nescio on Mar 25 2020, 7:33 PM.

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rP23832: New Gaul team bonus: reduce blacksmith tech cost.

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As pointed out by @genava55 on the forums, the current Gaul team bonus (technologies −20% research time) is rather problematic, because the Gauls were not really technological advanced, and there is no good reason why their allies ought to be.
This patch replaces with the team bonus with a 15% cost and time discount on Blacksmith technologies, which is historically justified, since arms were one of the major export products of the Gauls.

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Nescio created this revision.Mar 25 2020, 7:33 PM

Owners added a subscriber: Restricted Owners Package.Mar 25 2020, 7:33 PM

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/docker-differential/1907/display/redirect

Harbormaster completed remote builds in B11320: Diff 11550.Mar 25 2020, 7:39 PM

food, wood, stone, metal

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/docker-differential/1908/display/redirect

Harbormaster completed remote builds in B11321: Diff 11551.Mar 25 2020, 8:00 PM

Looking at it from a balancing POV the value of 20% seems to be pretty good. The average blacksmith researches include infantry armor and ranged infantry attack and this teambonus would save 600W, 200F, 100S, 210M and 24 seconds. So overall I think it would be a very useful teambonus, but also not overwhelming.

In D2669#112281, @ValihrAnt wrote:

Looking at it from a balancing POV the value of 20% seems to be pretty good. The average blacksmith researches include infantry armor and ranged infantry attack and this teambonus would save 600W, 200F, 100S, 210M and 24 seconds. So overall I think it would be a very useful teambonus, but also not overwhelming.

Does this require further testing?

badosu added a subscriber: badosu.Mar 26 2020, 2:09 AM

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Does this require further testing?

It's always best to playtest changes. In general 4v4s are the most played and so 3 players would be getting the bonus. If none of the players decide to be more creative and go for the usual ranged infantry upgrades then the resources saved would be 1800W, 600F, 300S, 630M and 72 seconds. As blacksmith techs are generally researched after reaching Phase 3 then the teambonus doesn't come into play for a while. I suppose if we want to stay more on the side of safety then 15% would be better.

In case someone wants to play-test this on multiplayer, here's a mod:

D2669.zip5 KBDownload

It works with both A24 and A23.

In big games (4v4) 15% would work better.

borg- requested changes to this revision.May 30 2020, 3:54 PM

This revision now requires changes to proceed.May 30 2020, 3:54 PM

15%

Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure.

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Harbormaster failed remote builds in B11871: Diff 12065!May 31 2020, 11:22 AM

Nescio edited the summary of this revision. (Show Details)May 31 2020, 2:12 PM

Nescio mentioned this in D2668: [gameplay] deprecate rotary mill, introduce special gaul farming technology.

Still agree with this and 15% over 20% discount is a safer approach.

I agree with 15%.

This revision is now accepted and ready to land.Jun 3 2020, 2:53 PM

Does the 15% stack?

Does the 15% stack?

No, none of the team bonuses does. Of the 112 aura files, only five have the "stackable": true line, all of them expensive structures:

kush_temple_amun.json
library.json
theater.json
wonder_pop_1.json
wonder_pop_2.json

Lionkanzen awarded a token.Jun 20 2020, 3:06 PM

I very much like this change.

This revision was landed with ongoing or failed builds.Jul 14 2020, 10:53 AM

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auras/

teambonuses/

gaul_player_teambonus.json

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civs/

gaul.json

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ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/data/auras/teambonuses/gaul_player_teambonus.json