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[gameplay] adjust elephant template values
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Authored by Nescio on Jul 2 2020, 2:52 PM.

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Summary

This patch is a follow up to D2575/rP23728, D2596/rP23737, D2786/rP23752.
Currently champion elephants inflict a lot more damage than hero elephants, which seems odd, because it's typically the other way around. For comparison damage per second of other melee soldiers:

                     b  ,   c  ,   h
cavalry axeman    : 9.2 , 18.4 , 36.8
cavalry spearman  : 5.5 , 11   , 22
cavalry swordsman : 8.7 , 17.3 , 34.7

[EDIT] This patch:

  • keeps champion elephant damage as is (i.e. per second 13 hack + 100 crush);
  • changes hero elephant damage, costs, and loot to twice the champion's;
  • orders identity lines;
  • reduces champion elephant crush resistance to 20 (same as other champions; hero elephants already have the same as other heroes (25) and elephant archers the same as citizens (15));
  • removes 5% walk speed penalty, to give melee elephants the same movement speed as elephant archers;
  • removed the bonus attack damage from template_unit_fauna_hunt_defensive_elephant.xml; other animals don't have bonuses either, nor do elephant soldiers.

See also D2595 and D2852.

Test Plan

Run a few games involving e.g. Mauryas.

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Nescio edited the summary of this revision. (Show Details)Jul 2 2020, 10:30 PM

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/docker-differential/2572/display/redirect

There are still catapults no ?

Yes, but those don't inflect that much crush damage per second:

                    crush / time = per second
champion elephant : 150   / 1.5  = 100
battering ram     : 150   / 1.5  = 100
quinquereme       : 100   / 5    =  20
stone thrower     : 100   / 7    =  14.3
champion maceman  :  10.5 / 0.75 =  14
artillery tower   :  25   / 5    =   5
Nescio updated this revision to Diff 12530.Jul 2 2020, 10:49 PM
Nescio retitled this revision from [gameplay] tweak elephants to [gameplay] tweak elephants again.
Nescio edited the summary of this revision. (Show Details)
  • forgot adjusting hero attack time

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

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borg- added a comment.Jul 27 2020, 5:49 PM
  • Correct loot
  • Correct prepare/repeattime
  • Correct attack for hero
  • Correct vision range

Im not sure about cost, hero improved a lot, so maybe cost seems better keep 500/500 or 600/500

Given that heroes have a limit of 1, their stats are not terribly important, auras matter more.
As for costs, for comparison:

               food, wood, metal, total; time ; health
hero elephant : 500 +   0 + 500 = 1000 ; 60 s ; 2000
hero cavalry  : 300 + 200 + 250 =  750 ; 50 s ; 1500
hero healer   : 200 + 150 + 150 =  500 ; 40 s ; 1000
hero infantry : 200 + 200 + 150 =  550 ; 40 s ; 1000

This patch changes hero elephant cost from 500 + 500 to 600 + 400, because D2575/rP23728 changed champion elephant cost to 300 + 200, and heroes used to have a cost twice that of champions (at least until D2816/rP23868 changed that a few days ago).

borg- added a subscriber: Angen.EditedAug 3 2020, 6:10 PM

>>! In D2853#126227, @Nescio wrote:

Given that heroes have a limit of 1, their stats are not terribly important, auras matter more.

Yes, i can agree.
@Nescio or @Angen, can make a patch to disable train same hero after dead? Lot of playes want see It on next release.

borg- accepted this revision.Aug 3 2020, 6:16 PM
This revision is now accepted and ready to land.Aug 3 2020, 6:16 PM
Nescio updated this revision to Diff 13034.Aug 3 2020, 6:34 PM
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  • rebased
Nescio added inline comments.Aug 3 2020, 6:35 PM
binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/template_unit_champion_elephant.xml
8–10 ↗(On Diff #13034)

These <Attack> lines do not change anything, it's just more explicit than the <Attack replace=""> in its *_melee.xml child.

Vulcan added a comment.Aug 3 2020, 6:38 PM

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/docker-differential/2859/display/redirect

wraitii added a subscriber: wraitii.Aug 4 2020, 3:27 PM

This makes the Hero Elephant an absurdly good siege unit.

binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/template_unit_champion_elephant.xml
8–10 ↗(On Diff #13034)

think I'd prefer if you Capture disable="" in the melee template, like it's done for the hero.

borg- added a comment.Aug 4 2020, 3:50 PM

This makes the Hero Elephant an absurdly good siege unit.

Yes, thats why i want a patch do limit each hero to train only one time.

Nescio added inline comments.Aug 4 2020, 4:08 PM
binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/template_unit_champion_elephant.xml
8–10 ↗(On Diff #13034)

Sure, I could do that.
There is no template_unit_hero_elephant.xml file, only the champion has it split in two; perhaps they ought to be merged?

Nescio updated this revision to Diff 13054.Aug 4 2020, 9:49 PM
  • rebased
  • disable capure attack in *_melee template, per @wraitii
Vulcan added a comment.Aug 4 2020, 9:54 PM

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

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Nescio removed a reviewer: Restricted Owners Package.Aug 15 2020, 9:03 PM
Nescio updated this revision to Diff 13209.Aug 16 2020, 7:48 PM
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  • disable elephant archer slaughter attack
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Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

builderr-release-macos.txt
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libnetwork.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
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Nescio updated this revision to Diff 13213.Aug 16 2020, 10:22 PM
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  • remove bonus attack from template_unit_fauna_hunt_defensive_elephant.xml
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Nescio updated this revision to Diff 13354.Aug 31 2020, 11:39 AM
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  • rebased

Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure.

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Nescio updated this revision to Diff 14045.Nov 19 2020, 10:22 AM
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Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure.

builderr-debug-macos.txt
error: run-time type information was enabled in PCH file but is currently disabled
1 error generated.
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error: run-time type information was enabled in PCH file but is currently disabled
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1 error generated.
make[1]: *** [obj/network_Debug/NetSession.o] Error 1
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Nescio retitled this revision from [gameplay] tweak elephants again to [gameplay] adjust elephant template values.Nov 19 2020, 10:24 AM
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borg- added a comment.Dec 14 2020, 5:33 PM

Hero elephant really has a weak attack compared to champion elephant. The attack speed from 1000 to 1500 is fair and realistic, but it should cost more metal, maybe 600f, 500 or 600m. I also think that health should nerf, look D2682.

The proposed hero elephant costs are twice that of their champion counterparts; the reason is that it was missed when other elephant costs were tweaked in D2575/rP23728.
I have no objections to reducing hero elephant health. How about 1500?

borg- added a comment.Dec 14 2020, 9:00 PM

The proposed hero elephant costs are twice that of their champion counterparts; the reason is that it was missed when other elephant costs were tweaked in D2575/rP23728.
I have no objections to reducing hero elephant health. How about 1500?

The proposed hero elephant costs are twice that of their champion counterparts; the reason is that it was missed when other elephant costs were tweaked in D2575/rP23728.
I have no objections to reducing hero elephant health. How about 1500?

1500 is a standard hero cavalry value. It's a good value but I don't know how realistic it is. Maybe we can think of something like 1600/1700.

Nescio updated this revision to Diff 14625.Dec 14 2020, 9:10 PM
Nescio edited the summary of this revision. (Show Details)
  • reduce hero elephant health (can be reduced further when cavalry hero health is lowered, but that discussion belongs elsewhere)

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

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Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/2432/display/redirect

borg- accepted this revision.Dec 15 2020, 1:30 AM

With the significant increase in the hero's attack, a reduction in health is necessary. As I said before, the rest of the patch pleases me a lot.

borg- added a comment.EditedTue, Dec 22, 6:22 PM

Any opposition to that? @badosu @ValihrAnt @Feldfeld

borg- added a subscriber: badosu.Tue, Dec 22, 6:22 PM
borg- added a comment.Mon, Jan 4, 1:48 PM

Need rebase.

Nescio updated this revision to Diff 14984.Mon, Jan 4, 2:39 PM
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Vulcan added a comment.Mon, Jan 4, 2:40 PM

Build failure - The Moirai have given mortals hearts that can endure.

builderr-debug-macos.txt
fatal error: file '/Users/wfg/Jenkins/workspace/macos-differential/build/workspaces/gcc/../../../libraries/source/spidermonkey/include-unix-debug/mozilla/StaticAnalysisFunctions.h' has been modified since the precompiled header 'obj/network_Debug/precompiled.h.gch' was built
note: please rebuild precompiled header 'obj/network_Debug/precompiled.h.gch'
1 error generated.
make[1]: *** [obj/network_Debug/NetMessageSim.o] Error 1
make: *** [network] Error 2

Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/2676/display/redirect

borg- accepted this revision.Mon, Jan 4, 2:46 PM

The patch is correct. The proposed values are better than the old ones. The patch solves problems of elephant hero having less attack than elephant champion. With hero health balancing, the new hero elephant attack does not make the unit op.

In D2853#146141, @borg- wrote:

The patch is correct. The proposed values are better than the old ones. The patch solves problems of elephant hero having less attack than elephant champion. With hero health balancing, the new hero elephant attack does not make the unit op.

Concern has been expressed by @Feldfeld, so I would not like to commit this without them stating their concern is alleviated.

borg- added a comment.Mon, Jan 4, 3:27 PM

@Feldfeld concern was with the old values proposed by me (remove hack damage), its not been modified in the current state of the patch.

About the movement speed, I don’t think an elephant has any difficulty in moving with a few extra pounds of armor.

Anyway, feldfeld is off for months.

I would suggest not to change champion elephant stat so as to keep current balance for them (which has been achieved by the patch I linked)

That being said, if you find another balancer to agree I guess this is okay. Sorry for the hassle, I'm just not comfortable committing something someone expressed their concern with without second opinion.

borg- added a comment.Wed, Jan 6, 2:18 AM

I would suggest not to change champion elephant stat so as to keep current balance for them (which has been achieved by the patch I linked)

That being said, if you find another balancer to agree I guess this is okay. Sorry for the hassle, I'm just not comfortable committing something someone expressed their concern with without second opinion.

Please don't be sorry. I respect your concern. Like you, I find another player's opinion interesting.

This patch was more intended as a clean-up of elephant-related things missed in other commits than one that drastically alters gameplay balance. @Freagarach, since you're uncomfortable with committing it as is (with hero elephant twice the attack damage of champions), how about giving hero elephants merely exactly the same attack as their champion counterparts?
@Feldfeld hasn't been on phabricator in the past six monts and I'm not sure if and when he'll be back.

I would be more comfortable also if you'd get another balancer (e.g. @badosu, @ValihrAnt, @Stockfish0ad) to give green light.

wraitii accepted this revision.Fri, Jan 15, 8:36 AM

Given that this only changes the Hero elephant stats now, I think it's rather safe to commit

This revision was landed with ongoing or failed builds.Fri, Jan 15, 8:49 AM
This revision was automatically updated to reflect the committed changes.