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[Gameplay] - Garrison Domestic Animals into the Corral to get a <ResourceTrickle> of Food
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Authored by Freagarach on Dec 19 2021, 1:35 AM.
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#1907
Summary

This adds a 1 food/4 seconds trickle for Sheep, Goats, and Pigs and a 1 food/2 seconds trickle for Cattle when they are garrisoned into a Corral. This is accomplished with an aura at the Corral.

This patch also cleans up Cattle templates a little by moving some duplicate code to the parent template.

Test Plan
  1. Apply the patch
  2. Open Atlas scenario editor
  3. Place a Corral and some animals (Cattle, Sheep, Goats, and/or Pigs), all Player 1
  4. Run a simulation
  5. Garrison the animals into the Corral
  6. Confirm the food count continuously goes up for each animal garrisoned
  7. Ungarrison the animals and verify that the food increase stops
  8. Agree with the feature
  9. Debate endlessly the exact food trickle rate

Event Timeline

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Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

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Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/6446/display/redirect

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

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Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/5351/display/redirect

I like this a lot, and I don't see it changing the game hugely, so I'll wait a few days and then commit unless objected.

This will change the game a lot...It nearly eliminates the need to farm with up to 50 food per second. This is equal to about 29 women farmers with all techs.

This will change the game a lot...It nearly eliminates the need to farm with up to 50 food per second. This is equal to about 29 women farmers with all techs.

xD That is why I am not a balancer. ^^'

I like this a lot, and I don't see it changing the game hugely, so I'll wait a few days and then commit unless objected.

This will change the game a lot...It nearly eliminates the need to farm with up to 50 food per second. This is equal to about 29 women farmers with all techs.

Test plan 1-7 work well?

This will change the game a lot...It nearly eliminates the need to farm with up to 50 food per second. This is equal to about 29 women farmers with all techs.

xD That is why I am not a balancer. ^^'

It's a nice idea, it's ROI is just too high. You're able to gain about 1.5 wonder's worth of pop benefit (29) for like a little less than the cost of a wonder + tech (8500 for wonder + tech vs. 8000 for 50 cattle and 5 corrals).

I like this a lot, and I don't see it changing the game hugely, so I'll wait a few days and then commit unless objected.

This will change the game a lot...It nearly eliminates the need to farm with up to 50 food per second. This is equal to about 29 women farmers with all techs.

Test plan 1-7 work well?

It's facially imbalanced. Look at the math.

I think we got that point, @chrstgtr. Can you propose different values, please?

1 food/8 seconds for Sheep, Goats, and Pigs and 1 food/4 seconds for Cattle, plus Garrison Max=5, could be closer.

I like this a lot, and I don't see it changing the game hugely, so I'll wait a few days and then commit unless objected.

This will change the game a lot...It nearly eliminates the need to farm with up to 50 food per second. This is equal to about 29 women farmers with all techs.

Test plan 1-7 work well?

It's facially imbalanced. Look at the math.

Test Plan item 9 is for determining the balance. The original patch was for introducing the feature.

1 food/8 seconds for Sheep, Goats, and Pigs and 1 food/4 seconds for Cattle, plus Garrison Max=5, could be closer.

I think this is a little too low. That would mean cattle only get into the black after 10 minutes (ignoring other set up costs).

I think we got that point, @chrstgtr. Can you propose different values, please?

Maybe something like .6 f/per sec for cattle? That would make it worth about 17 fully upgraded women farmers, which is more or less on par with the benefits of a wonder (slightly better from a res perspective, but it'll have a longer set up time). I'll have to think more about other livestock b/c they're so quick and cheap to make.

We'd need to boost the rate a little more if we decide to change the garrison limit from 10 to 5. I'm not certain how changing the garrison limit would impact things because although it would increase start up costs, it would also let players train their live stock quicker (i.e., it costs 500 more wood, but it allows you to train all your livestock in half the time, so it become productive quicker)


As an aside, I think this could lead to some nice strategies where players raid with cav while garrison livestock to get food income and then coming back to harvest food.

Also, it could lead to ever more micro-intensive corralling where livestock is only taken out of stables when it is needed. I like the idea of rewarding, such hard play, although it sounds like a pain.

I like this a lot, and I don't see it changing the game hugely, so I'll wait a few days and then commit unless objected.

This will change the game a lot...It nearly eliminates the need to farm with up to 50 food per second. This is equal to about 29 women farmers with all techs.

Test plan 1-7 work well?

It's facially imbalanced. Look at the math.

Test Plan item 9 is for determining the balance. The original patch was for introducing the feature.

Ah, I understand. I haven't fidgeted with the atlas, but it looks reasonable. And, I am onboard with the concept.

Nice idea :)

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Also, it could lead to ever more micro-intensive corralling where livestock is only taken out of stables when it is needed. I like the idea of rewarding, such hard play, although it sounds like a pain.

I really think it would be bad to reward such super intensive micro. As you said, that just sounds like pain.

I tested the feature, it works as advertised and it's a nice idea. Can't say much about the numbers atm.

Also, it could lead to ever more micro-intensive corralling where livestock is only taken out of stables when it is needed. I like the idea of rewarding, such hard play, although it sounds like a pain.

I really think it would be bad to reward such super intensive micro. As you said, that just sounds like pain.

It's not THAT intensive. It is just one more button that corralling currently is. And, corralling is already a micro intensive activity. I don't plan to really use (I already don't corral because it annoys me), but I won't be upset to see someone else try.

Just because something isn't the way you want to play doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed.

Moreover, this is a nice feature BECAUSE it offers something to multiple playing styles.

Ideally, in my head, this feature would be more integral if there was animal capturing, as done in AOE, instead of training them from the Corral directly (or allow training them from the corral too, on a limited basis). If you go scout and capture sheep and cattle, you can bring them back home and then make the choice to slaughter them for a burst of food or to garrison them into the Corral for a trickle of food, like a Relic from AOE2. Makes scouting more interesting and provides a choice of what to do with them once you bring them home. Training a limited number of sheep and cattle could be unlocked after researching Husbandry, but the main source of animals, at least initially, would come from scouting. Ultimately, that's how I see this going in my head, but we don't have AOE-style animal conversion/capturing (yet?).

Ideally, in my head, this feature would be more integral if there was animal capturing, as done in AOE, instead of training them from the Corral directly (or allow training them from the corral too, on a limited basis). If you go scout and capture sheep and cattle, you can bring them back home and then make the choice to slaughter them for a burst of food or to garrison them into the Corral for a trickle of food, like a Relic from AOE2. Makes scouting more interesting and provides a choice of what to do with them once you bring them home. Training a limited number of sheep and cattle could be unlocked after researching Husbandry, but the main source of animals, at least initially, would come from scouting. Ultimately, that's how I see this going in my head, but we don't have AOE-style animal conversion/capturing (yet?).

Here, here. I think that would be really nice. Separately, I have also written on the forum about how I think capturing gaia animals could add fun new aspects to the game.

I also think that you already proposed would be really nice (without the capturing aspect). So I don't think the lack of gaia capture should be a roadblock.

I don't plan to really use (I already don't corral because it annoys me), but I won't be upset to see someone else try.

Just because something isn't the way you want to play doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed.

Moreover, this is a nice feature BECAUSE it offers something to multiple playing styles.

I wouldn't mind to see someone try and I wouldn't mind if that is an equal or slightly better strategy then just using the trickle.

And I also don't want to dictate how other people play the game, but it's the same problem with the cc-farm thing. When something is clearly beneficial it would be stupid to not do it. In the case of the farms that means that even if I find it super unlogical to place them on the stone around the cc, I will still do it, since that is just the best place.
And that is what I would want to avoid with this feature: that it clearly favours something I find annoying.

So as long as it's balanced it's fine :) at the moment I don't see it favoring super heavy micro anyway.

And overall: yes wild animal capturing would be sweet. I have a hack for that somewhere, but it uses an aura instead of a actual capturing/attack mechanic, so that is not a good solution unfortunately. Didn't @Freagarach work on something in that direction?

And I also don't want to dictate how other people play the game, but it's the same problem with the cc-farm thing. When something is clearly beneficial it would be stupid to not do it. In the case of the farms that means that even if I find it super unlogical to place them on the stone around the cc, I will still do it, since that is just the best place.
And that is what I would want to avoid with this feature: that it clearly favours something I find annoying.

It would be more difficult to do and would likely lead to idle time for most players. Corralling is already more beneficial than farming but players rarely do it because it is difficult. I don't think it leads to the problem you are envisioning.

Anyways, this proposal (at least for now) seems to have widespread support.

Anyways, this proposal (at least for now) seems to have widespread support.

So, let's perhaps double the trickle <Interval> to address your initial balance concerns and then encourage others to test it out?

Anyways, this proposal (at least for now) seems to have widespread support.

So, let's perhaps double the trickle <Interval> to address your initial balance concerns and then encourage others to test it out?

Sounds good to me.

Trickle time doubled.

Old:
1 food/2 seconds for Sheep, Goats, and Pigs and a 1 food/1 second for Cattle.

New:
1 food/4 seconds for Sheep, Goats, and Pigs and a 1 food/2 second for Cattle.

Garrison capacity for Corrals reduced slightly from 10 to 8.

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

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ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OSServices.framework/Versions/A/OSServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OSServices.framework/Versions/A/OSServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SearchKit.framework/Versions/A/SearchKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SearchKit.framework/Versions/A/SearchKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/AE.framework/Versions/A/AE.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/AE.framework/Versions/A/AE are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/LaunchServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/LaunchServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/DictionaryServices.framework/Versions/A/DictionaryServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/DictionaryServices.framework/Versions/A/DictionaryServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SharedFileList.framework/Versions/A/SharedFileList.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SharedFileList.framework/Versions/A/SharedFileList are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: object file (../../../libraries/osx/fmt/lib/libfmt.a(format.cc.o)) was built for newer OSX version (10.13) than being linked (10.12)
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreAudio.framework/CoreAudio.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreAudio.framework/CoreAudio are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//AudioToolbox.framework/AudioToolbox.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//AudioToolbox.framework/AudioToolbox are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ForceFeedback.framework/ForceFeedback.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ForceFeedback.framework/ForceFeedback are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreVideo.framework/CoreVideo.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreVideo.framework/CoreVideo are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//IOKit.framework/IOKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//IOKit.framework/IOKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//QuartzCore.framework/QuartzCore.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//QuartzCore.framework/QuartzCore are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Metal.framework/Metal.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Metal.framework/Metal are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenGL.framework/OpenGL.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenGL.framework/OpenGL are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Security.framework/Security.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Security.framework/Security are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenAL.framework/OpenAL.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenAL.framework/OpenAL are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreData.framework/Versions/A/CoreData.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreData.framework/Versions/A/CoreData are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ApplicationServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ApplicationServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CommonPanels.framework/Versions/A/CommonPanels.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CommonPanels.framework/Versions/A/CommonPanels are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Help.framework/Versions/A/Help.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Help.framework/Versions/A/Help are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageCapture.framework/Versions/A/ImageCapture.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageCapture.framework/Versions/A/ImageCapture are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Ink.framework/Versions/A/Ink.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Ink.framework/Versions/A/Ink are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OpenScripting.framework/Versions/A/OpenScripting.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OpenScripting.framework/Versions/A/OpenScripting are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Print.framework/Versions/A/Print.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Print.framework/Versions/A/Print are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SecurityHI.framework/Versions/A/SecurityHI.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SecurityHI.framework/Versions/A/SecurityHI are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechRecognition.framework/Versions/A/SpeechRecognition.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechRecognition.framework/Versions/A/SpeechRecognition are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreImage.framework/Versions/A/CoreImage.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreImage.framework/Versions/A/CoreImage are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGLU.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGLU.dylib are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGL.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGL.dylib are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/UIFoundation.framework/Versions/A/UIFoundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/UIFoundation.framework/Versions/A/UIFoundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Foundation.framework/Versions/C/Foundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Foundation.framework/Versions/C/Foundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/CoreGraphics.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/CoreGraphics are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreText.framework/Versions/A/CoreText.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreText.framework/Versions/A/CoreText are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/ImageIO.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/ImageIO are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ColorSync.framework/Versions/A/ColorSync.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ColorSync.framework/Versions/A/ColorSync are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/ATS.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/ATS are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ColorSyncLegacy.framework/Versions/A/ColorSyncLegacy.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ColorSyncLegacy.framework/Versions/A/ColorSyncLegacy are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/CoreServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/CoreServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIServices.framework/Versions/A/HIServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIServices.framework/Versions/A/HIServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LangAnalysis.framework/Versions/A/LangAnalysis.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LangAnalysis.framework/Versions/A/LangAnalysis are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/PrintCore.framework/Versions/A/PrintCore.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/PrintCore.framework/Versions/A/PrintCore are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/QD.framework/Versions/A/QD.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/QD.framework/Versions/A/QD are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechSynthesis.framework/Versions/A/SpeechSynthesis.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechSynthesis.framework/Versions/A/SpeechSynthesis are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CFNetwork.framework/Versions/A/CFNetwork.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CFNetwork.framework/Versions/A/CFNetwork are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/FSEvents.framework/Versions/A/FSEvents.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/FSEvents.framework/Versions/A/FSEvents are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Versions/A/CarbonCore.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Versions/A/CarbonCore are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Metadata.framework/Versions/A/Metadata.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Metadata.framework/Versions/A/Metadata are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OSServices.framework/Versions/A/OSServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OSServices.framework/Versions/A/OSServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SearchKit.framework/Versions/A/SearchKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SearchKit.framework/Versions/A/SearchKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/AE.framework/Versions/A/AE.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/AE.framework/Versions/A/AE are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/LaunchServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/LaunchServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/DictionaryServices.framework/Versions/A/DictionaryServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/DictionaryServices.framework/Versions/A/DictionaryServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SharedFileList.framework/Versions/A/SharedFileList.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SharedFileList.framework/Versions/A/SharedFileList are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: object file (../../../libraries/osx/fmt/lib/libfmt.a(format.cc.o)) was built for newer OSX version (10.13) than being linked (10.12)
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
builderr-release-macos.txt
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libnetwork.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libsimulation2.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libengine.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libgraphics.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libatlas.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libgui.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/liblowlevel.a(dbghelp.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/liblowlevel.a(file_stats.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/liblowlevel.a(vfs_path.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/liblowlevel.a(gfx.o) has no symbols
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreAudio.framework/CoreAudio.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreAudio.framework/CoreAudio are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//AudioToolbox.framework/AudioToolbox.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//AudioToolbox.framework/AudioToolbox are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ForceFeedback.framework/ForceFeedback.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ForceFeedback.framework/ForceFeedback are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreVideo.framework/CoreVideo.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreVideo.framework/CoreVideo are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//IOKit.framework/IOKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//IOKit.framework/IOKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//QuartzCore.framework/QuartzCore.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//QuartzCore.framework/QuartzCore are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Metal.framework/Metal.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Metal.framework/Metal are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenGL.framework/OpenGL.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenGL.framework/OpenGL are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Security.framework/Security.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Security.framework/Security are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenAL.framework/OpenAL.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenAL.framework/OpenAL are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ApplicationServices.framework/ApplicationServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ApplicationServices.framework/ApplicationServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreData.framework/Versions/A/CoreData.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreData.framework/Versions/A/CoreData are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CommonPanels.framework/Versions/A/CommonPanels.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CommonPanels.framework/Versions/A/CommonPanels are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Help.framework/Versions/A/Help.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Help.framework/Versions/A/Help are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageCapture.framework/Versions/A/ImageCapture.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageCapture.framework/Versions/A/ImageCapture are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Ink.framework/Versions/A/Ink.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Ink.framework/Versions/A/Ink are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OpenScripting.framework/Versions/A/OpenScripting.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OpenScripting.framework/Versions/A/OpenScripting are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Print.framework/Versions/A/Print.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Print.framework/Versions/A/Print are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SecurityHI.framework/Versions/A/SecurityHI.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SecurityHI.framework/Versions/A/SecurityHI are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechRecognition.framework/Versions/A/SpeechRecognition.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechRecognition.framework/Versions/A/SpeechRecognition are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGLU.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGLU.dylib are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGL.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGL.dylib are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreImage.framework/Versions/A/CoreImage.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreImage.framework/Versions/A/CoreImage are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/CoreGraphics.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/CoreGraphics are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreText.framework/Versions/A/CoreText.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreText.framework/Versions/A/CoreText are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/ImageIO.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/ImageIO are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
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ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SharedFileList.framework/Versions/A/SharedFileList.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SharedFileList.framework/Versions/A/SharedFileList are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: object file (../../../libraries/osx/fmt/lib/libfmt.a(format.cc.o)) was built for newer OSX version (10.13) than being linked (10.12)
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ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ForceFeedback.framework/ForceFeedback.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ForceFeedback.framework/ForceFeedback are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
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ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Metal.framework/Metal.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Metal.framework/Metal are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
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ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenAL.framework/OpenAL.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenAL.framework/OpenAL are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
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Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/5356/display/redirect

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

Debug: 
    17>wsecure_crt.obj : warning LNK4221: This object file does not define any previously undefined public symbols, so it will not be used by any link operation that consumes this library [E:\Jenkins\workspace\vs2015-differential\build\workspaces\vs2017\lowlevel.vcxproj]
    17>wprofiler.obj : warning LNK4221: This object file does not define any previously undefined public symbols, so it will not be used by any link operation that consumes this library [E:\Jenkins\workspace\vs2015-differential\build\workspaces\vs2017\lowlevel.vcxproj]
    17>manifest.obj : warning LNK4221: This object file does not define any previously undefined public symbols, so it will not be used by any link operation that consumes this library [E:\Jenkins\workspace\vs2015-differential\build\workspaces\vs2017\lowlevel.vcxproj]
    17>secure_crt.obj : warning LNK4221: This object file does not define any previously undefined public symbols, so it will not be used by any link operation that consumes this library [E:\Jenkins\workspace\vs2015-differential\build\workspaces\vs2017\lowlevel.vcxproj]
    17>posix.obj : warning LNK4221: This object file does not define any previously undefined public symbols, so it will not be used by any link operation that consumes this library [E:\Jenkins\workspace\vs2015-differential\build\workspaces\vs2017\lowlevel.vcxproj]
    17>vfs_path.obj : warning LNK4221: This object file does not define any previously undefined public symbols, so it will not be used by any link operation that consumes this library [E:\Jenkins\workspace\vs2015-differential\build\workspaces\vs2017\lowlevel.vcxproj]
    17>file_stats.obj : warning LNK4221: This object file does not define any previously undefined public symbols, so it will not be used by any link operation that consumes this library [E:\Jenkins\workspace\vs2015-differential\build\workspaces\vs2017\lowlevel.vcxproj]
     4>LINK : warning LNK4199: /DELAYLOAD:freetyped.dll ignored; no imports found from freetyped.dll [E:\Jenkins\workspace\vs2015-differential\build\workspaces\vs2017\pyrogenesis.vcxproj]
    22>LINK : warning LNK4199: /DELAYLOAD:freetyped.dll ignored; no imports found from freetyped.dll [E:\Jenkins\workspace\vs2015-differential\build\workspaces\vs2017\test.vcxproj]
Release:

Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/vs2015-differential/6451/display/redirect

wowgetoffyourcellphone updated the Trac tickets for this revision.Dec 20 2021, 10:03 AM

(I am grateful for such a fruitful discussion. :) )

binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/gaia/fauna_cattle_cow.xml
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Since these are closely tied to the used actors, we may want to leave them in here. (Idem for the status bars.) (But I don't care much.)

wowgetoffyourcellphone edited the summary of this revision. (Show Details)Dec 25 2021, 8:43 AM
Micfild added a comment.EditedDec 25 2021, 12:55 PM

Hi everyone! First of all i would like to express my appreciation for this diff and what it proposes. I always thought the corral was a fun mechanic of 0AD, but unfortunaly it was too difficult to manage (IMO) for it to be used more often. I do belive the proposed changes will increase the usage rate of the corral and bring more variety to gameplay.

That being said, i do believe there is one thing that needs to be addressed before this change goes live. I also have some suggestions for the direction that this feature can go, but i'll post those on the forum, given that they are quite extensive and i don't know if this is the correct place to discuss them.

So, my main concern about this change is in regards to population. Currently, be it farms or the corral, you need some population investiment in collectors for the food to be collected. With this new change, since animals don't occupy pop space, corrals, can outright replace farms in the late game and open up pop space for more military units. Since a military/economic balance is one of the pillars of RTSs, i don't believe it is healthy for the game to allow for an, essentialy, "pop free" source of food income.

So, to mitigate this problem i can think of 3 possible solutions:

1 - give domestic animals pop value. (this stretches a bit the meaning of "pop", but it is one possible solution. It's also very flexible and controllable by the player)

2 - give corrals pop value (this is a possible solution, but one that i particularly don't like, since it's less flexible and it goes against the current design of "buildings don't cost pop")

3 - garrison humans instead of animals in the corral (it's the most coherent change, in regards to the current game design, but it is also the more bland one, since the corral basically becomes a more protected farm)

I personally lean towards the first one, but all three are valid.

I've also read above some discussions about limiting the number of animals each player has (in a way similiar to wardogs or by only allowing animals to be captured in the wild, not produced). This is also a solution to the problem, since we can use it to limit the total amount of food a player can gain from corrals, forcing them to have some farming to compensate.

LetswaveaBook added a subscriber: LetswaveaBook.EditedDec 25 2021, 3:05 PM

This will change the game a lot...It nearly eliminates the need to farm with up to 50 food per second. This is equal to about 29 women farmers with all techs.

xD That is why I am not a balancer. ^^'

It's a nice idea, it's ROI is just too high. You're able to gain about 1.5 wonder's worth of pop benefit (29) for like a little less than the cost of a wonder + tech (8500 for wonder + tech vs. 8000 for 50 cattle and 5 corrals).

I disagree with the wonder values, I think the cost of a wonder is 3500 + 1000 seconds "build time" and the tech is 6000. The wonder gives +20% population which is for 200 popluation more than the pop benefit of the garrisoned corrals. The more builders you add, the less efficient the process is, so those 1000 seconds "build time" also needs to be translated into cost. To get the +40 pop, you also need 4 big houses costing 600 wood and 200 seconds build time. That puts the total at 10100 resources and 1200 seconds "build time". A plus for the wonder is that it can heal units fast and comes with a resource tickle. The wonder and the technologies cost metal and stone, wheres the corrals and cattle only cost wood and food. Food is in TGs mostly dumped for a cheap price at the market.

Furthermore it is fairly easy to build a little square of stone walls in your base and place your corrals safely there, which means that unlike farmers it can't be raided easily. You can't build half a wonder, whereas building only 20 units of cattle is possible. If you need quick food, then you would be able to ungarrison the cattle and quickly let your cavalry turn them into food, which is an option wonders don't provide.

How about booming with cows, in p1 5 women need about 160 seconds for the following tasks: collect wood for a small house and field, build the house and the field and gather 250 food. So after about 150 seconds the farmers in p1 break even. If we want the regular farming boom to win out, I think for a corral garrisoned cattle it should take 2 to 4 times as long to pay it investment back.

I think if we compare the cost of wonders vs. garrisoned corrals, 50 cows should probably be equivalent to around 15 farmers(with p3 techs, equivalent to 26 unupgraded farmers). So 1 cow is 0.3 p3 farmers, or around 0.27 food per second, giving a return on investment time of about 550=3.5*160 (ignoring the cost of building a corral).

Another option for balance would be diversifying cattle stats a little. Maybe cows aren't supposed to give the best ROI, but maybe we can let sheep offer better ROI. In that case sheep would have the better ROI, but cows offer the higher limit of total production.

Lastly, it is not entirely clear to me what the suggested numbers are. In the current patch, all types of cattle gives 1 food per second when garrisoned, doesn't it?

@Micfild , currently cattle is limited to 50. So it is not entirely pop free.

They still take up no population space. If they can generate resources on their own, then they are enterily pop free, even if they are limited to 50 per player.

Hi everyone! First of all i would like to express my appreciation for this diff and what it proposes. I always thought the corral was a fun mechanic of 0AD, but unfortunaly it was too difficult to manage (IMO) for it to be used more often. I do belive the proposed changes will increase the usage rate of the corral and bring more variety to gameplay.

That being said, i do believe there is one thing that needs to be addressed before this change goes live. I also have some suggestions for the direction that this feature can go, but i'll post those on the forum, given that they are quite extensive and i don't know if this is the correct place to discuss them.

So, my main concern about this change is in regards to population. Currently, be it farms or the corral, you need some population investiment in collectors for the food to be collected. With this new change, since animals don't occupy pop space, corrals, can outright replace farms in the late game and open up pop space for more military units. Since a military/economic balance is one of the pillars of RTSs, i don't believe it is healthy for the game to allow for an, essentialy, "pop free" source of food income.

So, to mitigate this problem i can think of 3 possible solutions:

1 - give domestic animals pop value. (this stretches a bit the meaning of "pop", but it is one possible solution. It's also very flexible and controllable by the player)

2 - give corrals pop value (this is a possible solution, but one that i particularly don't like, since it's less flexible and it goes against the current design of "buildings don't cost pop")

3 - garrison humans instead of animals in the corral (it's the most coherent change, in regards to the current game design, but it is also the more bland one, since the corral basically becomes a more protected farm)

I personally lean towards the first one, but all three are valid.

I've also read above some discussions about limiting the number of animals each player has (in a way similiar to wardogs or by only allowing animals to be captured in the wild, not produced). This is also a solution to the problem, since we can use it to limit the total amount of food a player can gain from corrals, forcing them to have some farming to compensate.

This won’t replace farming. If you try to do this early, you’ll be very slow. Even late, players have a limit on the number of animals that can have.

In DE, the animal limit is 30. Would that be more appropriate here as well? This is supposed to only supplement food, not be a primary source.

This won’t replace farming. If you try to do this early, you’ll be very slow. Even late, players have a limit on the number of animals that can have.

Exactly. It's a supplement. Going heavy on animals early takes a lot of investment in food that won't be returned for quite some time.

This will change the game a lot...It nearly eliminates the need to farm with up to 50 food per second. This is equal to about 29 women farmers with all techs.

xD That is why I am not a balancer. ^^'

It's a nice idea, it's ROI is just too high. You're able to gain about 1.5 wonder's worth of pop benefit (29) for like a little less than the cost of a wonder + tech (8500 for wonder + tech vs. 8000 for 50 cattle and 5 corrals).

I disagree with the wonder values, I think the cost of a wonder is 3500 + 1000 seconds "build time" and the tech is 6000. The wonder gives +20% population which is for 200 popluation more than the pop benefit of the garrisoned corrals. The more builders you add, the less efficient the process is, so those 1000 seconds "build time" also needs to be translated into cost. To get the +40 pop, you also need 4 big houses costing 600 wood and 200 seconds build time. That puts the total at 10100 resources and 1200 seconds "build time". A plus for the wonder is that it can heal units fast and comes with a resource tickle. The wonder and the technologies cost metal and stone, wheres the corrals and cattle only cost wood and food. Food is in TGs mostly dumped for a cheap price at the market.

Furthermore it is fairly easy to build a little square of stone walls in your base and place your corrals safely there, which means that unlike farmers it can't be raided easily. You can't build half a wonder, whereas building only 20 units of cattle is possible. If you need quick food, then you would be able to ungarrison the cattle and quickly let your cavalry turn them into food, which is an option wonders don't provide.

How about booming with cows, in p1 5 women need about 160 seconds for the following tasks: collect wood for a small house and field, build the house and the field and gather 250 food. So after about 150 seconds the farmers in p1 break even. If we want the regular farming boom to win out, I think for a corral garrisoned cattle it should take 2 to 4 times as long to pay it investment back.

I think if we compare the cost of wonders vs. garrisoned corrals, 50 cows should probably be equivalent to around 15 farmers(with p3 techs, equivalent to 26 unupgraded farmers). So 1 cow is 0.3 p3 farmers, or around 0.27 food per second, giving a return on investment time of about 550=3.5*160 (ignoring the cost of building a corral).

Another option for balance would be diversifying cattle stats a little. Maybe cows aren't supposed to give the best ROI, but maybe we can let sheep offer better ROI. In that case sheep would have the better ROI, but cows offer the higher limit of total production.

Lastly, it is not entirely clear to me what the suggested numbers are. In the current patch, all types of cattle gives 1 food per second when garrisoned, doesn't it?

@Micfild , currently cattle is limited to 50. So it is not entirely pop free.

This will change the game a lot...It nearly eliminates the need to farm with up to 50 food per second. This is equal to about 29 women farmers with all techs.

xD That is why I am not a balancer. ^^'

It's a nice idea, it's ROI is just too high. You're able to gain about 1.5 wonder's worth of pop benefit (29) for like a little less than the cost of a wonder + tech (8500 for wonder + tech vs. 8000 for 50 cattle and 5 corrals).

I disagree with the wonder values, I think the cost of a wonder is 3500 + 1000 seconds "build time" and the tech is 6000. The wonder gives +20% population which is for 200 popluation more than the pop benefit of the garrisoned corrals. The more builders you add, the less efficient the process is, so those 1000 seconds "build time" also needs to be translated into cost. To get the +40 pop, you also need 4 big houses costing 600 wood and 200 seconds build time. That puts the total at 10100 resources and 1200 seconds "build time". A plus for the wonder is that it can heal units fast and comes with a resource tickle. The wonder and the technologies cost metal and stone, wheres the corrals and cattle only cost wood and food. Food is in TGs mostly dumped for a cheap price at the market.

Furthermore it is fairly easy to build a little square of stone walls in your base and place your corrals safely there, which means that unlike farmers it can't be raided easily. You can't build half a wonder, whereas building only 20 units of cattle is possible. If you need quick food, then you would be able to ungarrison the cattle and quickly let your cavalry turn them into food, which is an option wonders don't provide.

How about booming with cows, in p1 5 women need about 160 seconds for the following tasks: collect wood for a small house and field, build the house and the field and gather 250 food. So after about 150 seconds the farmers in p1 break even. If we want the regular farming boom to win out, I think for a corral garrisoned cattle it should take 2 to 4 times as long to pay it investment back.

I think if we compare the cost of wonders vs. garrisoned corrals, 50 cows should probably be equivalent to around 15 farmers(with p3 techs, equivalent to 26 unupgraded farmers). So 1 cow is 0.3 p3 farmers, or around 0.27 food per second, giving a return on investment time of about 550=3.5*160 (ignoring the cost of building a corral).

Another option for balance would be diversifying cattle stats a little. Maybe cows aren't supposed to give the best ROI, but maybe we can let sheep offer better ROI. In that case sheep would have the better ROI, but cows offer the higher limit of total production.

Lastly, it is not entirely clear to me what the suggested numbers are. In the current patch, all types of cattle gives 1 food per second when garrisoned, doesn't it?

@Micfild , currently cattle is limited to 50. So it is not entirely pop free.

Your calculations are all off because you’re miscalculating the cost of p3 food. 1 farmer is 1.72 food/s.

Food is probably the most scarce resource in team games.

I don’t think I included the cost of houses, but I don’t think it matters bc of housing tech.

I like the idea for making sheep or something else have a bigger ROI, but less overall output.

In DE, the animal limit is 30. Would that be more appropriate here as well? This is supposed to only supplement food, not be a primary source.

I wouldn’t mess with the number of animals allowed. It will have rippling effects into actual corralling/slaughtering, which should remain a viable standalone food source, as well as other other areas like lowering startup costs for this feature. If anything, I would adjust the trickle rate to equal an appropriate amount of farming units that it can “replace,” but I don’t think anyone has shown that the current values are inappropriate (but again, I like the idea of making sheep higher ROI with a lower trickle rate).

In DE, the animal limit is 30. Would that be more appropriate here as well? This is supposed to only supplement food, not be a primary source.

I wouldn’t mess with the number of animals allowed. It will have rippling effects into actual corralling/slaughtering, which should remain a viable standalone food source, as well as other other areas like lowering startup costs for this feature. If anything, I would adjust the trickle rate to equal an appropriate amount of farming units that it can “replace,” but I don’t think anyone has shown that the current values are inappropriate (but again, I like the idea of making sheep higher ROI with a lower trickle rate).

Higher ROI for sheep--you mean greater max food, but lower trickle, compared to a goat or pig? :) I don't mind differentiating the animals more, but I think we could possibly keep that for another diff? I also have fattening in DE, which adds a whole other dimension we can discuss in that "other" diff.

In DE, the animal limit is 30. Would that be more appropriate here as well? This is supposed to only supplement food, not be a primary source.

For me, it is more about the return of investment than about the total number ( as long as the total number is reasonable). Being able to ditch 40 farmers might be okay if it takes a very large investment(at least 15k+ or maybe 30k) to replace them with garrisoned cattle. Raising or lowering the limit does not affect the ROI.

So this issue does not provide a strong reason to cut down the number

In DE, the animal limit is 30. Would that be more appropriate here as well? This is supposed to only supplement food, not be a primary source.

For me, it is more about the return of investment than about the total number ( as long as the total number is reasonable). Being able to ditch 40 farmers might be okay if it takes a very large investment(at least 15k+ or maybe 30k) to replace them with garrisoned cattle. Raising or lowering the limit does not affect the ROI.

So this issue does not provide a strong reason to cut down the number

Before we start discussing balacing and numbers, i would like to know what is the intended direction for the corral and animal husbandry in general.

1 - Is it a late game source of food, meant to replace farming
2 - Is it a supplementary source of food, meant to complement, but no replace farming
3 - Is in alternative source of food, meant to be as good as farming, so the decision to use one or the other is based on player strategy and playstyle.
4 - Something else...

Unless we decide beforehand what do we want to achieve (a clear cut endpoint), any arguments will be purely based on player preference.

In DE, the animal limit is 30. Would that be more appropriate here as well? This is supposed to only supplement food, not be a primary source.

This won’t replace farming. If you try to do this early, you’ll be very slow. Even late, players have a limit on the number of animals that can have.

Exactly. It's a supplement. Going heavy on animals early takes a lot of investment in food that won't be returned for quite some time.

In DE, the animal limit is 30. Would that be more appropriate here as well? This is supposed to only supplement food, not be a primary source.

I wouldn’t mess with the number of animals allowed. It will have rippling effects into actual corralling/slaughtering, which should remain a viable standalone food source, as well as other other areas like lowering startup costs for this feature. If anything, I would adjust the trickle rate to equal an appropriate amount of farming units that it can “replace,” but I don’t think anyone has shown that the current values are inappropriate (but again, I like the idea of making sheep higher ROI with a lower trickle rate).

Higher ROI for sheep--you mean greater max food, but lower trickle, compared to a goat or pig? :) I don't mind differentiating the animals more, but I think we could possibly keep that for another diff? I also have fattening in DE, which adds a whole other dimension we can discuss in that "other" diff.

ROI I mean the return on investment. So how quick the trickle is compared to the cost investment. Higher total return would be a lower trickle compared to cost, but more ability to replace units. But I agree, this is a different differential as it would require a change to the cost of the cow itself.

@LetswaveaBook total return is also important to the extent you want to require “normal” food production. Limiting the number of animals is important for that. Also, lag becomes a big concern with unlimited animals.

The ROI and limits of this have to be rooted against the Wonder as this will effectively “replace” units, so balance needs to be kept there. obviously, pop benefit of the wonder is also subject to revision, but that is beyond the scope here.

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Sets "GarrisonRegenRate" to "0" to prevent garrisoned animals from affecting the capturability of the Corral.

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Link to build: https://jenkins.wildfiregames.com/job/macos-differential/5389/display/redirect

In DE, the animal limit is 30. Would that be more appropriate here as well? This is supposed to only supplement food, not be a primary source.

This won’t replace farming. If you try to do this early, you’ll be very slow. Even late, players have a limit on the number of animals that can have.

Exactly. It's a supplement. Going heavy on animals early takes a lot of investment in food that won't be returned for quite some time.

In DE, the animal limit is 30. Would that be more appropriate here as well? This is supposed to only supplement food, not be a primary source.

I wouldn’t mess with the number of animals allowed. It will have rippling effects into actual corralling/slaughtering, which should remain a viable standalone food source, as well as other other areas like lowering startup costs for this feature. If anything, I would adjust the trickle rate to equal an appropriate amount of farming units that it can “replace,” but I don’t think anyone has shown that the current values are inappropriate (but again, I like the idea of making sheep higher ROI with a lower trickle rate).

Higher ROI for sheep--you mean greater max food, but lower trickle, compared to a goat or pig? :) I don't mind differentiating the animals more, but I think we could possibly keep that for another diff? I also have fattening in DE, which adds a whole other dimension we can discuss in that "other" diff.

ROI I mean the return on investment. So how quick the trickle is compared to the cost investment. Higher total return would be a lower trickle compared to cost, but more ability to replace units. But I agree, this is a different differential as it would require a change to the cost of the cow itself.

@LetswaveaBook total return is also important to the extent you want to require “normal” food production. Limiting the number of animals is important for that. Also, lag becomes a big concern with unlimited animals.

The ROI and limits of this have to be rooted against the Wonder as this will effectively “replace” units, so balance needs to be kept there. obviously, pop benefit of the wonder is also subject to revision, but that is beyond the scope here.

@LetswaveaBook was right—I misread the structure tree for base gather rates. His calculation on gather rates at ~.26 a second is right

My bad, sorry, all. Thanks, @LetswaveaBook

Looks like this has broad appeal. Anyone wish to Accept Revision?

asterix accepted this revision.Jan 22 2022, 5:37 PM
asterix added a subscriber: asterix.

I like this idea too, hopefully we can get fattening like in aoe3.

This revision is now accepted and ready to land.Jan 22 2022, 5:37 PM

@Freagarach will you commit this?

asterix added a subscriber: Silier.Feb 6 2022, 10:45 AM

@Silier can you look at this?

Silier requested changes to this revision.Feb 6 2022, 12:20 PM

Tooltip for animals should be updated as well.

This revision now requires changes to proceed.Feb 6 2022, 12:20 PM
Owners added a subscriber: Restricted Owners Package.Mar 18 2022, 7:35 AM
Freagarach commandeered this revision.Mar 18 2022, 7:36 AM
Freagarach added inline comments.Mar 18 2022, 7:40 AM
binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/template_unit_fauna_herd_domestic.xml
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I'll fix this on commit.

Successful build - Chance fights ever on the side of the prudent.

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ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LangAnalysis.framework/Versions/A/LangAnalysis.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LangAnalysis.framework/Versions/A/LangAnalysis are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/PrintCore.framework/Versions/A/PrintCore.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/PrintCore.framework/Versions/A/PrintCore are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/QD.framework/Versions/A/QD.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/QD.framework/Versions/A/QD are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechSynthesis.framework/Versions/A/SpeechSynthesis.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechSynthesis.framework/Versions/A/SpeechSynthesis are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CFNetwork.framework/Versions/A/CFNetwork.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CFNetwork.framework/Versions/A/CFNetwork are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/FSEvents.framework/Versions/A/FSEvents.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/FSEvents.framework/Versions/A/FSEvents are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Versions/A/CarbonCore.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Versions/A/CarbonCore are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Metadata.framework/Versions/A/Metadata.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Metadata.framework/Versions/A/Metadata are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OSServices.framework/Versions/A/OSServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OSServices.framework/Versions/A/OSServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SearchKit.framework/Versions/A/SearchKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SearchKit.framework/Versions/A/SearchKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/AE.framework/Versions/A/AE.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/AE.framework/Versions/A/AE are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/LaunchServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/LaunchServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/DictionaryServices.framework/Versions/A/DictionaryServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/DictionaryServices.framework/Versions/A/DictionaryServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SharedFileList.framework/Versions/A/SharedFileList.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SharedFileList.framework/Versions/A/SharedFileList are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: object file (../../../libraries/osx/fmt/lib/libfmt.a(format.cc.o)) was built for newer OSX version (10.13) than being linked (10.12)
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
builderr-release-macos.txt
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libsimulation2.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libengine.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
../../../source/renderer/backend/gl/DeviceCommandContext.cpp:316:59: warning: lambda capture 'dataOffset' is not used [-Wunused-lambda-capture]
                UploadBufferRegion(buffer, dataOffset, dataSize, [data, dataOffset, dataSize](u8* mappedData)
                                                                        ^
1 warning generated.
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libgraphics.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libatlas.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/ranlib: file: ../../../binaries/system/libgui.a(precompiled.o) has no symbols
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreAudio.framework/CoreAudio.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreAudio.framework/CoreAudio are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//AudioToolbox.framework/AudioToolbox.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//AudioToolbox.framework/AudioToolbox are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ForceFeedback.framework/ForceFeedback.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ForceFeedback.framework/ForceFeedback are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreVideo.framework/CoreVideo.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreVideo.framework/CoreVideo are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//IOKit.framework/IOKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//IOKit.framework/IOKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//QuartzCore.framework/QuartzCore.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//QuartzCore.framework/QuartzCore are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Metal.framework/Metal.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Metal.framework/Metal are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Security.framework/Security.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Security.framework/Security are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenAL.framework/OpenAL.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenAL.framework/OpenAL are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ApplicationServices.framework/ApplicationServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ApplicationServices.framework/ApplicationServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CommonPanels.framework/Versions/A/CommonPanels.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CommonPanels.framework/Versions/A/CommonPanels are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Help.framework/Versions/A/Help.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Help.framework/Versions/A/Help are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageCapture.framework/Versions/A/ImageCapture.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageCapture.framework/Versions/A/ImageCapture are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Ink.framework/Versions/A/Ink.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Ink.framework/Versions/A/Ink are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OpenScripting.framework/Versions/A/OpenScripting.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OpenScripting.framework/Versions/A/OpenScripting are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Print.framework/Versions/A/Print.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Print.framework/Versions/A/Print are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SecurityHI.framework/Versions/A/SecurityHI.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SecurityHI.framework/Versions/A/SecurityHI are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechRecognition.framework/Versions/A/SpeechRecognition.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechRecognition.framework/Versions/A/SpeechRecognition are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreImage.framework/Versions/A/CoreImage.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreImage.framework/Versions/A/CoreImage are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/CoreGraphics.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/CoreGraphics are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreText.framework/Versions/A/CoreText.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreText.framework/Versions/A/CoreText are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/ImageIO.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/ImageIO are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ColorSync.framework/Versions/A/ColorSync.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ColorSync.framework/Versions/A/ColorSync are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/ATS.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/ATS are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ColorSyncLegacy.framework/Versions/A/ColorSyncLegacy.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ColorSyncLegacy.framework/Versions/A/ColorSyncLegacy are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/CoreServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/CoreServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIServices.framework/Versions/A/HIServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIServices.framework/Versions/A/HIServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LangAnalysis.framework/Versions/A/LangAnalysis.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LangAnalysis.framework/Versions/A/LangAnalysis are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/PrintCore.framework/Versions/A/PrintCore.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/PrintCore.framework/Versions/A/PrintCore are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/QD.framework/Versions/A/QD.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/QD.framework/Versions/A/QD are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechSynthesis.framework/Versions/A/SpeechSynthesis.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechSynthesis.framework/Versions/A/SpeechSynthesis are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreData.framework/Versions/A/CoreData.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreData.framework/Versions/A/CoreData are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CFNetwork.framework/Versions/A/CFNetwork.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CFNetwork.framework/Versions/A/CFNetwork are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/FSEvents.framework/Versions/A/FSEvents.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/FSEvents.framework/Versions/A/FSEvents are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Versions/A/CarbonCore.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CarbonCore.framework/Versions/A/CarbonCore are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Metadata.framework/Versions/A/Metadata.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Metadata.framework/Versions/A/Metadata are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OSServices.framework/Versions/A/OSServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OSServices.framework/Versions/A/OSServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SearchKit.framework/Versions/A/SearchKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SearchKit.framework/Versions/A/SearchKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/AE.framework/Versions/A/AE.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/AE.framework/Versions/A/AE are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/LaunchServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/LaunchServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/DictionaryServices.framework/Versions/A/DictionaryServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/DictionaryServices.framework/Versions/A/DictionaryServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SharedFileList.framework/Versions/A/SharedFileList.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SharedFileList.framework/Versions/A/SharedFileList are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/UIFoundation.framework/Versions/A/UIFoundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/UIFoundation.framework/Versions/A/UIFoundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Foundation.framework/Versions/C/Foundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Foundation.framework/Versions/C/Foundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: object file (../../../libraries/osx/fmt/lib/libfmt.a(format.cc.o)) was built for newer OSX version (10.13) than being linked (10.12)
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreFoundation.framework/CoreFoundation are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreAudio.framework/CoreAudio.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreAudio.framework/CoreAudio are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//AudioToolbox.framework/AudioToolbox.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//AudioToolbox.framework/AudioToolbox are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ForceFeedback.framework/ForceFeedback.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ForceFeedback.framework/ForceFeedback are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreVideo.framework/CoreVideo.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreVideo.framework/CoreVideo are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Cocoa.framework/Cocoa are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//IOKit.framework/IOKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//IOKit.framework/IOKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//QuartzCore.framework/QuartzCore.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//QuartzCore.framework/QuartzCore are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Metal.framework/Metal.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Metal.framework/Metal are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//Security.framework/Security.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//Security.framework/Security are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenAL.framework/OpenAL.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//OpenAL.framework/OpenAL are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreData.framework/Versions/A/CoreData.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//CoreData.framework/Versions/A/CoreData are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks//ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ApplicationServices.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks//ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ApplicationServices are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CommonPanels.framework/Versions/A/CommonPanels.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/CommonPanels.framework/Versions/A/CommonPanels are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Help.framework/Versions/A/Help.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Help.framework/Versions/A/Help are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageCapture.framework/Versions/A/ImageCapture.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageCapture.framework/Versions/A/ImageCapture are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Ink.framework/Versions/A/Ink.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Ink.framework/Versions/A/Ink are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OpenScripting.framework/Versions/A/OpenScripting.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/OpenScripting.framework/Versions/A/OpenScripting are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Print.framework/Versions/A/Print.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Print.framework/Versions/A/Print are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SecurityHI.framework/Versions/A/SecurityHI.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SecurityHI.framework/Versions/A/SecurityHI are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
ld: warning: text-based stub file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechRecognition.framework/Versions/A/SpeechRecognition.tbd and library file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/SpeechRecognition.framework/Versions/A/SpeechRecognition are out of sync. Falling back to library file for linking.
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Freagarach marked an inline comment as not done.Jun 12 2022, 1:03 PM

Looks like this has broad appeal. Anyone wish to Accept Revision?

@balancing?

@balancing?

I have read through the patch and every garrisoned animal provides a food tickle of 1 food per interval.

For goats this interval is 5 seconds
For sheep this interval is 4 seconds
For pigs this interval is 3 seconds
For cows this interval is 2 seconds

Each animal requires a garrison slot and the corral requires 12.5 wood and 6.25 seconds of build time per garrison spot.

Goats seem to offer the better return on investment, whereas sheep and aren't behind by a lot if you factor in that you need into less garrison space if you have bigger animals. On the other hand, corrals are also production facilities and it takes 4 minutes to fill a corral and 3 if you have the upgrade. That is a considerable time, so it takes some time before you run out of garrison space. Where as filing a corral with cows would take 6 minutes if every corral only produced cattle for itself.

Also there is another problem with garrison space: When you go to the next phase, the GarrisonRegenRate increases and is no longer 0.

Even though garrison animals with these values has a long payback time, you can still use it to store animals until your cavalry has the time to slaughter them. So it could be useful as a side option. So I think it can be useful from time to time, but not it requires good use of planning. So it is a reasonable proposal. The values seems good enough for me that I could accept the patch.

Also the total food income by cattle is capped by the limit on cattle. Currently there is a maximum of 50 animals per player, which means +25 food per second if you have 50 cows garrisoned. That means you can ditch 29 farmers. The costs for doing so would be (900 wood+300 seconds build time+7500 food). Maybe we can reduce the limit to cattle to 30? Also I would like it if cattle could be captured. (but that could be a separate patch)

The values that I would like even more would be 6 garrison spots per corral, such that the corral fills faster and they are easier to capture when fully garrisoned. For goats, sheep, pigs and cows I would suggest food tickle intervals of 4.5, 3.5, 3 and 2 seconds. That would shorten the payback time for the smaller cattle by a little.

Even though I made some suggestion, I do not think the values really need to be changed. Rather I am just curious what the opinions of others are about the values and what they would like to see. Even though we could argue a long time about the ideal values, I think it is important that we accept some values. If no consensus about a new proposal for these values can be gained, the current ones are acceptable.

Also there is another problem with garrison space: When you go to the next phase, the GarrisonRegenRate increases and is no longer 0.

I guess we'll need D4679. ;P

Also there is another problem with garrison space: When you go to the next phase, the GarrisonRegenRate increases and is no longer 0.

I guess we'll need D4679. ;P

I don't know if we need it. If phasing up ads a value to structures by a constant amount and at the same time reduces it by the same value specifically to corrals, it fixes stuff.

By the way: I just checked if dog are in the animals class and they aren't. So dogs can't garrison as intended

borg- added a subscriber: borg-.Sat, Jul 30, 9:38 PM

Well, about the values I don't think op, but I would be happier with an aura to fatten the animals, like I did in my mod.

I guess an aura is (currently) suboptimal, as the animals may wander outside of the aura.

borg- added a comment.Tue, Aug 2, 4:53 PM

I guess an aura is (currently) suboptimal, as the animals may wander outside of the aura.

An aura to fatten garrisoned animals.

If you don't mind them fattening even while not garrisoned then maybe you could use the Change/Growth attributes, like this:

<ResourceSupply>

    <Max>150</Max>
    <Initial>100</Initial>
    <MaxGatherers>5</MaxGatherers>
    <Change>			
			<Growth>
				<State>alive</State>
				<Value>1</Value>
				<Interval>1000</Interval>
		  </Growth>
    </Change>
  </ResourceSupply>
In D4380#202145, @borg- wrote:

An aura to fatten garrisoned animals.

The problem would be PetraAI, I guess. She will slaughter the animals before fattening, which would make her significantly worse.